I thought of a use for {ka'a}: {ki'otre li pamu ka'a lo cipni}. How does that sound? Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.