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Re: [lojban] Anyone remember what lerfu strings are actually *for*?



*Necro*

I found a rationale for this when reading over some sections of the CLL:
http://dag.github.com/cll/17/8/
In short, when writing out pinyin, this system lets you put in tone numbers. Any thoughts? Personally I think this is somewhat of a boundary issue if you will.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

Someone tried to do:

rlpowell@chain> echo "panzi be ny ci mei" | camxes
text
  BRIVLA
     gismu: panzi

This doesn't work because it needs boi:

rlpowell@chain> echo "panzi be ny boi ci mei" | camxes
text
  selbri3
  |- tanruUnit1
  |  |- BRIVLA
  |  |     gismu: panzi
  |  |- linkargs1
  |     |- CMAVO
  |     |     BE: be
  |     |- sumti6
  |        |- CMAVO
  |        |     BY: ny
  |        |- CMAVO
  |              BOI: boi
  |- tanruUnit2
     |- CMAVO
     |     PA: ci
     |- CMAVO
           MOI: mei

Why is that?  Because otherwise it forms a "lerfu string".

rlpowell@chain> echo "panzi be ny ci" | camxes
text
  tanruUnit1
  |- BRIVLA
  |     gismu: panzi
  |- linkargs1
     |- CMAVO
     |     BE: be
     |- lerfuString
        |- CMAVO
        |     BY: ny
        |- CMAVO
              PA: ci

Which is useful for ... I dunno, reading out license plates?  -_-

Does anyone remember why this is a fundamental type?  I'm guessing
"complicated mekso shit", but I can't even think of any examples
there.

All the grammatical productions that use it:

 sumti-6 <- ZO-clause free* / ZOI-clause free* / LOhU-clause free* / lerfu-string !MOI-clause BOI-clause? free* / LU-clause text LIhU-clause? free* / (LAhE-clause free* / NAhE-clause BO-clause free*) relative-clauses? sumti LUhU-clause? free* / KOhA-clause free* / LA-clause free* relative-clauses? CMENE-clause+ free* / (LA-clause / LE-clause) free* sumti-tail KU-clause? free* / li-clause

 tanru-unit-2 <- BRIVLA-clause free* / GOhA-clause RAhO-clause? free* / KE-clause free* selbri-3 KEhE-clause? free* / ME-clause free* (sumti / lerfu-string) MEhU-clause? free* MOI-clause? free* / (number / lerfu-string) MOI-clause free* / NUhA-clause free* mex-operator / SE-clause free* tanru-unit-2 / JAI-clause free* tag? tanru-unit-2 / NAhE-clause free* tanru-unit-2 / NU-clause NAI-clause? free* (joik-jek NU-clause NAI-clause? free*)* subsentence KEI-clause? free*

 operand-3 <- quantifier / lerfu-string !MOI-clause BOI-clause? free* / NIhE-clause free* selbri TEhU-clause? free* / MOhE-clause free* sumti TEhU-clause? free* / JOhI-clause free* mex-2+ TEhU-clause? free* / gek operand gik operand-3 / (LAhE-clause free* / NAhE-clause BO-clause free*) operand LUhU-clause? free*

 lerfu-string <- lerfu-word (PA-clause / lerfu-word)*

 ; ** BU clauses are part of BY-clause
 lerfu-word <- BY-clause / LAU-clause lerfu-word / TEI-clause lerfu-string FOI-clause

 free <- SEI-clause free* (terms CU-clause? free*)? selbri SEhU-clause? / SOI-clause free* sumti sumti? SEhU-clause? / vocative relative-clauses? selbri relative-clauses? DOhU-clause? / vocative relative-clauses? CMENE-clause+ free* relative-clauses? DOhU-clause? / vocative sumti? DOhU-clause? / (number / lerfu-string) MAI-clause / TO-clause text TOI-clause? / xi-clause

 xi-clause <- XI-clause free* (number / lerfu-string) BOI-clause? / XI-clause free* VEI-clause free* mex VEhO-clause?

The xi stuff is particularily 0.o

-Robin

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