Re: Abstraction paper, draft 1.0

[cowan@snark.thyrsus.com (John Cowan)]

> I'd say: that would appear to be part of the abstraction were "kei" to have
> been elided.

Changed to "would appear...if 'kei' had been elided".  The subjunctive
is good Commonwealth English here, but is too alien to the rest of my
American English.

> vasxu *smile*. i.a'ocaizo'o do na sipna ca'o piro.ue ledo za'i jmive

mi panpi

Fixed.

> Do you ever actually explain this motivation?

"Elsewhere" means "in another paper".  When the papers are merged into
a book, I'll replace all instances of "elsewhere" with "in Chapter <n>".

> I'd reword this: the actuality should be the emphasis of {jei}, but 'actuality'
> is a somewhat obscure word to be used here, and doesn't draw attention to 
> itself. Perhaps "the truth of the claim that"?

Reworded to "the truth (or probability) of the claim that".

> Not quite clear to a non-initiate; I think you need to dwell on this a bit
> further. In particular, point out that actual physical events cannot be
> contained within one's mind, and that 7.2 is close to claiming Frank is
> running around inside your skull, unless it's a sumti-raising. After all,
> the English gloss you give is perfectly plausible English.

Done.

> Explain why not, ie that it would give a direct question.

Done.

> This isn't kosher, I know, but for the non-initiates, do add the comment that
> predication is akin to sentence.

I had rather add "fact that" than "sentence that", to avoid confusing
further the subtle distinction between "du'u" and "sedu'u".

> I'd gloss {tu'a le vorme} as "some action to do with the door", making it's
> LAhE nature explicit.

Done.

> You use the new rafsi for {ni} and {kalri}, but the old rafsi for {ka} (should
> be kam, not kaz).

Right, missed that change.  "kar" for "kalri" has been there since day one.

> Didn't we get around to giving rafsi to all the abstractors without them
> in the rafsi overhaul? And shouldn't we? I'm sure there are enough to go
> around.

No, we didn't.  Possibilities:

	li'i	lip- liz-
	si'o	sif- siz-
	su'u	suf- sus- suv- sux-
	za'i	zab- zad- zaf- zak- zam- zap- zav- zax- zaz-
	zu'o	zub- zuc- zud- zuf- zuj- zum- zup- zur- zus- zuv- zux- zuz-
	pu'u	pub- puf- pug- pup- puv- pux- puz-
	mu'e	mub- muf- mug- mux- 

Given the size of this list, I agree that these should be rafsi-fied.
My preferences are liz, siz, sus, zam, zum, puz, and mub.  Comments?

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