JL> Lojbab gave the example {mi ga'i je do ga'i zukte}, meaning that JL> honorable me and honorable you do something. I think I said later in that article that I relaized that I had just reversed them in the example. Just as I did later for va'i/va'inai. I guess I should shut up if I'm going to keep saying things backwards and confusing the issue %^). lojbab