Re: "any"

[Chris Bogart <cbogart@QUETZAL.COM>]

I've been trying to do more lojban writing lately, and I have found that
opaqueness comes up more often than I would have thought, and again and
again I've found myself wondering whether to use Jorge's xe'e, or a tanru,
or what to do, and I've ended up using "lo" because it "felt right", despite
my previous opinions on the matter (I more or less agreed with Jorge).

I've been avoiding diving into the any/opaque debate, because it's
complicated and I'm not sure I'm keeping up with it properly.  Specifically,
I've forgotten some of the arguments that convinced me that allowing "lo" to
be opaque was a bad idea.

But anyway, here goes: as you may have noticed I just LOVE making little
tables to help me understand things:

T=transparent, O=opaque, V=veridicial, NV=non-veridical

         Jorge's system                    Lojbab's system
         --------------                    ---------------
T/V      lo broda                          da poi broda
T/NV     le broda                          le broda
O/V      xe'e lo broda OR (.ai/ko + lo)    lo broda
O/NV     xe'e le broda OR (.ai/ko + le)    ??

I haven't heard yet if Lojbab agrees with Jorge about the opacity of ko,
.ai, and some other attitudinals, and I haven't actually seen Jorge use
"xe'e le" but I'm extrapolating.

Now that I lay it out this way, it doesn't look like there's that much
difference except for notation, although I'm sure I'm glossing over some
subtle effects on the overall interpretation of lojban bridi based on the
different understandings of "lo broda".

I guess I'm leaning towards Lojbab's system because 1) opaqueness crops up a
lot and so Lojbab's is more Zipfy, and 2) in my personal usage veridiciality
seems to correlate with opacity.

But how does Lojbab handle an opaque non-veridicial reference?  Could such a
thing actually be useful?
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 Chris Bogart
 cbogart@quetzal.com
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