Re: pc answers

[jorge@phyast.pitt.edu]

pc:
>         Ok, what do you want to say?

Actually, my question is not how to say it but what does this mean:

           ci nanmu cu pencu ci gerku


>Let's take "Three men touched three dogs"
> into logic without thinking too much about it.  That gives
>         there are x,y,z,w,v,u, mutually distinct [actually a conjunction
> of 15 non-identities] and for all x1, x1 is a relevant man just in case
> x1 is x, y, or z and for all y1, y1 is a relevant dog just in case y1 is
> w, v, or u [so far we have that there are three men and three dogs of
> interest; now for the serious content, we have a choice among]
>    1. for every relevant man z1 and every relevant dog w1, z1 touched w1
>    2. for some relevant man z1 and every relevant dog w1, z1 touched w1
>    3. for some relevant dog w1 and every releant man z1, z1 touched w1
>    4. for every relevant man z1 and some relevant dog w1, z1 touched w1
>    5. for every relevant dog w1 and some relevant man z1, z1 touched w1
>    6. for some relevant man z1 and relevant dog w1, z1 touched w1.

Those are in Lojban:

1.      le ci nanmu cu pencu le ci gerku
2.      su'o le ci nanmu cu pencu le ci gerku
3.      su'o le ci gerku cu se pencu le ci nanmu
4.      le ci nanmu cu pencu su'o le ci gerku
5.      le ci gerku cu se pencu su'o le ci nanmu
6.      su'o le ci nanmu cu pencu su'o le ci gerku

But neither of these cause problems, because in all of them {ci}
is merely an inner quantifier, it only says what's the total of
relevant men and dogs.

The problem is with something like

        ci nanmu cu pencu ci gerku

Are there three dogs selected for each of the three men (as And
and I want) or are they selected in parallel to the men, and therefore
the claim concerns only three dogs, and not possibly nine.

(There is no doubt for me about the mass case. {lei ci nanmu cu pencu
lei ci gerku} simply says that the men touched the dogs, without
clarifying who touched which, it's like seeing them from afar
and not quite making out what's going on, just that the men are
touching the dogs.)

Jorge