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my feedback/worries/interest/reaction/impression of Lojban (fwd)
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From: "Christian Richard" <cprchrd@mailserv.mta.ca>
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Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:41:06 -0400
Subject: my feedback/worries/interest/reaction/impression of Lojban
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I tried to "feedback" the following message to your group,
but something went wrong, so I am sending it to you.
It is addressed to anybody and everybody who knows more
about Lojban than me, particularly the makers of the Web
site explaining a bit about Lojban. If you can send this
post to the group, I would appreciate it.
Thanks.
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Very interesting!
I am a French-Canadian Esperantist and was lured to your
Lojban site and read a bit and sort of browsed.
Lojban seems *SO* foreign to me! Unlike Esperanto, which
tries to be similar to normal and easy communication and
which follows universal concepts of verb, adj., noun. etc,
Lojban seems to me very alien and unhuman!
Like it says, Lojban is very logical and computer-ish.
It would well suit some sort of cyberpunk-fantasy alien
race of machine-people or computers. But as a language
for use by men and women, it is very interesting...
and probably a lot harder than you say it is. When I first
saw Esperanto, I was not as alienated as I was with Lojban.
The concepts in Lojban seem so foreign to my mind.
It would be very interesting to learn Lojban and thus
learn to think in such a "Lojbanian", computerish manner.
It feels like some sort of secret code that one would use in
a war.
But if I am interested in learning Lojban... I certainly do
not haev the time right now. I am studying French and English,
in both of which I am fluent, as well as learning Spanish,
Latin, Espearanto, and German. And another language at the
moment would be TOO much! :)
In addition, Lojban does not seem to me complete. I would
rather wait a couple years for it to be "frozen" as you say,
with a dictionary and everything out. Then I wouldn't have
to learn, unlearn, and relearn.
Perhaps it is ust I who am alienated by Lojban. To me it
seems SO foreign in its construction and manner of usage.
I am very poor at mathematics, science, etc. but I am good
enough to master French's most obscure grammar rules and
exceptions, mostly because it is my mother tongue. I always
love to have a very creative and limitless mind. I am
a nihilist and dadaist. Nothing for me is set, and everything
is absurd and to paly with. I fear perhaps usage and
understandign of Lojban woul maybe stabilise my thought's
freedom into logical ways that could make me more "computer"
in thought and less "poetic" or "absurd". But on the other
hand, it could greatly improve a weak part of me! :)
I love absurdist and Dadaist literature. It would be
interesting to see how a competely Dada piece of literature
could be translated into Lojban and if it could be possible.
For example, Tristan Tzara's "La premiere aventure celeste
de M. Antipyrine" or "Le coeur a gaz". How is poetry
translated into Lojban??
If you can answer any of my questions or comment on any of
my ideas, statements, worries, and curiosities about Lojban,
PLEASE DO email me at "cprchrd@mailserv.mta.ca".
After reading around, I am very curious and stimulated by
Lojban. Many things are still to me unclear. Like what
is the difference between Logban and Lojban? The former
is the draft version and the latter is the revised version?
Also, since my First language is French and I am very poor
at mathematical reasoning and logical methods, it would
be interesting to see my particular difficulties and
feelings as I learn the language.
If you have more questions about me, please do ask them,
and if you can please do answer mine or help guide my
thoughts about Lojban. :)
Great Web page! You certainly have me interested now!!
Christian Richard
French/English/Esperanto
cprchrd@mailserv.mta.ca