Re: Off-topic: cultures and mysticism (was: Promoting Lojban)

[Robin Turner <robin@bilkent.edu.tr>]

John Cowan wrote:

> Robin Turner wrote:
>
> > Well, "libertarian" includes that, doesn't it?  All anarchists are
> > libertarians, though not all libertarians are anarchists ... I think.
> > Another area where Lojban might be able to clarify things.
>
> Well, yes and no.  "Libertarian" has fairly distinct implications
> of "propertarian" as well, these days, and so I would never apply
> it to myself, where I would freely apply "anarchist".

The word "libertarian" was first used on the Left - I believe it came from
the Spanish Anarchists.  Chomsky usually describes himself as a "libertarian
socialist" and, occasionally, as an "anarchist".  I used to describe myself
as an "anarchist" but now prefer "libertarian socialist" (on the rare
occasions I describe myself as anything) since I don't like the absolutism
"anarchism" implies.  There again, most of my old anarchist friends would
probably describe me as a liberal wuss.  I also have occasional lapses into
technocratic elitism, but I try to restrain myself ;-)

> There is a Daniel Dennett article called "Giving Libertarians What
> They Want", which uses "libertarian" in the sense "believer in
> free will" (!)

Hmm, so all those Catholics are really libertarians, then??  All shows the
need for a logical, unambiguous language ;-)

Anyway, this is getting _really_ off-topic, so I'll shut up (for the time
being)

co'o mi'e robin.