Re: Dao De Jing [was Re: Promoting Lojban]

[Lin Zhemin <ljm@ljm.qqjane.net>]

Sun, 21 Feb 1999, zo Robin Turner(robin@Bilkent.EDU.TR) cusku di'e
> All I know of early Chinese systems of logic are cases of Daoists like
> Zhunagzi taking the mickey out of logicians ({.u'u} I'm afraid I can't
> remember the references.

Zhuangzi's philosophy is just _near_ that of Laozi. Well, despite that many
people think Laozi and Zhuangzi are both Daoists, their philosophies differ
from each other. There would be many references, but that is far off-topic
to the list.

> Indian
> logic, on the other hand, is voluminous and well-documented, with various
> competing schools, and this was developed further by the Buddhists.

Real Buddhist never "develop" things. Well, N.B. that there are many fake
and phony people making up "Indian philosophical style" stories, just for
those western believers. And many Indians just don't know what they're
doing, but that makes money for them. :Q  Not being like Juddism, Buddhist,
Indian, and Chinese philosophers don't encourage you to study in characters
and words. And there is nothing like "3 basic elements" among Buddhist,
Indian, and Chinese philosophies. Don't forget that the Indian is one
branch of Proto-indoeuropeans, at the same time. (However this sentence is
irrelevant to others. :Q) Some races in India believe that the universe is
made of wind, water, fire, and earth (as they're Indoeuropean descendants,
naturally). But Chinese doesn't think (or think it's less important to know)
what the universe is made of. We have the notion of three lights: sun, moon,
and star, just for they're sources of light. (Ancient people don't know the
moon doesn't illuminate, naturally). We have the notion of wuxing: gold,
tree, water, fire, earth; but they're used to describe the biological
system of man, and later it is _made_adopted_ to some irrational religions. 

I don't know how you treat or think of oriental philosophies (a huge variety
of Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Tibetian, Indian, Indo-Chinese, prehabitants
of every islands in the ocean, etc.). But to me, there isn't something
called "oriental philosophy", just like there isn't "occidental philosphy"
(we all know the one of Nietzsche differs from that of Heddger, isn't it?
And Saint Thomas-Acquin would never agree with Marx. :Q) And those Hollywood
brain-damaged sh*ts and those dummy spells performing earthquakes or
provoking devils are just imagination of western philosophies (the ones
in some Druide, Celtic, or the prehabitants mythologies, i.e., not the
"orthodox" one.) However, if it can make you feel better or treate people in
a better manner, that'll be okay, anyway... :-)


I'd like to ask the moderator of the list (if there is one) if this topic is
acceptable to it. It's quite interesting and funny, but not quite lojban
related...

> system stuck in my head (thoug I forget the Sanskrit name for it) because it
> has no less than seven truth-values:

2 ** 3 - 1 = 7. Simple calculation. But why "-1" ? Don't forget there is the
notion of `NULL' in both Chinese and Indian philosophy. :-)


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