Re: mut

[John Cowan <cowan@locke.ccil.org>]

Alex Leith wrote (what is your Loglan name, please?):

> Mi danza ia, supo lo logli ze lo lojbi fua kintaa. I muu fa suksi tio duo
> hu?

Okay, in Lojban that would be:

mi djica .ie su'o nu loi .loglan. zei prenu joi loi lojpre ta'e casnu
.i ma'a ba snada la'e di'u pu'e ma

All the words are different except "mi" and "i", but the grammar
is the same except for the following differences (in Loglan terminology)

1. Lojban doesn't have declensions, which were introduced into Loglan
after the split.  (LLG comment: "Does one decline "godzi" when the
goer is male vs. female?  If not, why not?").  Instead, we use the
obvious complexes: "lojpre" = "lojbo prenu" = "Lojbanic person",
expending one letter but saving on conceptual machinery.

There is no prim for "Loglandic" in Lojban, so we make a pseudo-complex
with the LW "zei", which binds together the two surrounding words (only),
producing a complex even if (as is the case) one of them is a name.
The metaphor "me la loglan. prenu" would work too.

2.  I'm not sure why you didn't use the prim "dislu" (Lojban "casnu")
rather than a complex; the equivalent Lojban complex is "kanta'a".

3.  There is no separate LW for the referents of just-spoken sentences.
Instead, we use the LW for the sentence itself, prefixed by "la'e"
("lae" in Loglan) to get the referent.  This would work in Loglan
too.

4.  There are several plausible translations for "duo" in Lojban:
I have chosen "by process" rather than "by method".

And if you don't like the apostrophes, it is possible to live without
them for the most part: they basically indicate which VV pairs are
two syllables and which are not.  Lojban does use both "a'i" and "ai", 
etc.; pronounce the apostrophe as "h" (which Lojban does not have).
 
> To which I'd say:
>    Ea muo togri !!
>    Let us (= speaker + audience + others, acting individually)  agree !!!

That is "e'u lu'a ma'a tugni", where "lu'a" converts what follows
to individuals; "ma'a" is inherently a mass.

Loglan->Lojban terminology map:  prim<->gismu, complex<->lujvo,
LW (little word)<->cmavo.

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