Re: [lojban] Re: Translation needed

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

From: "Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>


la adam cusku di'e

> > Anyone has a better idea for "besides death"? I don't like
> > mine much. How about "function at even a basic level"?
> >
>First of all, I would put "po'onai" after "mrobi'o".

Yes, that's good.

>You could then put
>all the results of malnutrition first, i.e. "i le nu mrobi'o po'onai e le 
>nu selzu'i viska e le simsa cu se rinka le nu ru'i se xladja", which 
>slightly changes the order of the original, but makes it so you don't need 
>to assign a "ko'a".

I don't mind much changing the order, but "besides" has the
additional connotation that it is old information, so
maybe "po'onai bi'unai".

>In addition, I think that there should be a "pro-sumti" which refers to
>the sumti in the prenex in a sentence such as this. In my opinion,
>"ce'u" would probably work, since in most cases its use as an
>abstraction focus would have the same referrent if both happened
>to be used at the same time. If people think there may be a
>conflict, we could always make a new cmavo.

I don't think "ce'u" works, its function is to keep an
argument of a function or property open, and that is not
what we want here. This is a regular pronoun, so if ko'a
is too heavy, in this case "ra" works, or a letter
pronoun. Would it have to be "ny" or "my"?

>How about "zukte lo sampu ji'a" for "function at even a basic level"?
>I'm not sure what "unbroken" means.

"spofu" means x1 is broken/not usable for function x2,
so to me "tolspofu" means x1 is in operating order/
functioning/usable for function x2.

Perhaps "nalspofu" would be better? Maybe.

I don't know whether spofu/nalspofu/tolspofu can be used
for people as well as for machines, but I don't see why
not. "zukte" has the additional burden of intention,
which I didn't think was there in "function at even a basic
level".

co'o mi'e xorxes


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