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krefu etc.
Creating a Lojban word for "anniversary" (see my translation {morji
loi critu}), I came across
bavna'ake'udei (balvi+nanca+krefu+djedi: anniversary day)
na'arefydje (nanca+krefu+djedi)
nancake'udei
raising some questions:
1) Is it really correct stating:
le vi (zi!) djedi cu bavna'ake'udei ... le nu ...
Is it really {bavna'ake'udei}, namely "the day *recurring* (krefu) in
the *future* (balvi), i.e. the day recurring from the past or
at least the event from the past coming again on this day? Is
{na'arefydje} or {nancake'udei} much better an expression? For IMHO
I feel the culprit being the word {krefu}.
krefu: x1 (event) is the x3'rd recurrence/repetition of x2 (abstract)
This doesn't seem to represent Lojban logic (but rather a convenient
expression of common thinking), since there is no recurrence
at all: whether with regard to a certain day nor to an event (e.g.
each turn of the sun around the earth ;-) is a totally new one -
similar to those preceding, yet not the same).
Why not better create lujvo the way many natural languages (e.g.
Chinese) do: by (openly) using metaphors (and not pretending -
or even believing - to be "logical" by using "metaphors" like
{krefu}), myself included)?
In German "anniversary day" is "Jahrestag" (= year's day), what seems
to be pretty metaphoric. Would it be very un-Lojbanic to
simply/loosely call it {nanca djedi} ({nancadei}, {na'adje}? I'd
prefer the 2nd because of its sound. I do not want having maldotco
expressions, but isn't {nanca+krefu+djedi} (anni+versari+...)
mablylatmo instead?
2) If creating lujvo like those mentioned above, the example in the
lujvo list
bavna'ake'udei/na'anrefydje lenu co'a zgikrnrokenrole kei li cino
doesn't seem to be too convincing with regard to its place order. The
tanru {nanca+krefu+djedi} is ending with {djedi}, hence x2
should be that of
djedi: x1 is x2 full days in duration (by standard x3)
(e.g. lo nanca cu djedi li cixamu - o.k.: about)
and the following x3 (event) that x2 (abstract) of {krefu} giving:
x1 is the x2-recurrence-day of x3 (abstract)
(Unlike the x1-place of {krefu}, x1 needs not to be an "event" but
something like {cabdei} etc.
mi'e la .aulun. noi se cinri lenu do jinvi makau