Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances

["Robert J. Chassell" <bob@RATTLESNAKE.COM>]

   > We have been over this before:
   >
   >     every utterance is stated a `universe of discourse'.


   Should I assume you meant "There are multiple `universes of discourse'"?

Yes.  I meant to write is stated within a `universe of discourse'.
                                 ^^^^^^ 
but in my various editing swings managed somehow to cut that word out.


   ...  dealing with multiple `universes of discourse' is interesting.

Oh, yes, indeed.... :)


   The English word "know", when used for "A knows B", means that "A believes
   B and A is inside my universe of discourse". Or, "A believes B by the same
   epistemology I use, and hence I support his belief".

   I can use djuno x4, however, to apply to other universes of discourse. I
   can say something that resembles "Sophie KNOWS Mohammed is Allah's only
   prophet" while I myself am not a Muslim and don't agree with her at all.

You are right.  Well put.

   The link, I believe, between Jorge and Robin, is that the default djuno x4
   is the narrator's belief system.

No, I think the default djuno x4 should be the belief system
appropriate to the utterance.  But understanding does get complicated;
but then, understanding always is complicated.  

The advantage of Lojban in this case is that it is clearly difficult
to determine which djuno x4 a narrator is using unless he or she
specifies it.  On the other hand, it is less obvious to English
speakers that epistemologies vary.  Certainly, I myself tend to
presume that my interlocutors share my epistemology, and I am often
wrong.

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