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Re: [lojban] Request for grammar clarifications

At 11:27 PM 05/27/2001 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote:

la pycyn cusku di'e
>xorxes:
><The first reasonable interpretation I get when using it to add a
>place to a selbri is that it tags the date of the event. >
>Sounds right, but needs interpretation.  I suppose that the date of the
>event
>of being a letter is when the letter is written, i.e., the beginning of
>that
>state, and this seems to work generally.

That's too ad hoc an interpretation for my taste. According
to that I might say {mi jmive de'i li 1966} to indicate the year
of my birth. I don't think {detri} should be interpreted as
"x1 is the date of the beginning of x2".


No, in that sense, it would translate, I lived circa 1966.


 I think that for
extended events, x1 of detri should be able to hold the range
of dates:
   li 1450 bi'i li 1475 detri le nu ti se zbasu
   "1450 to 1475 is the date this was built on"
It could. But I don't think it has to. Many extended events in history are celebrated based on the date that they started or were completed. 


And in any case, the date written on a letter may not agree with
the date the letter was written. Does {de'i} then refer to the
written date or the date of writing?
It refers to a date associated with the letter. What exactly the date has to do with the letter is ellipsized, associated with another place of detri and/or a sumti-raising therefrom. 


>Of the possible ad hoc fixes, the one using {me} in its original
>sense seems to me at least as reasonable as any alternative proposed (come
>to >that, has an alternative been proposed?)

The alternative I suppose is {ta me la ford karce} instead
of {ta me la ford}. Or maybe also {ta karcrforde}.


ta srana/steci la ford
also works. A question is whether one really needs a predicate that totally within itself with no other sumti means "is a Ford".
As to why the reasons for the change - I was of the opinion that pc at the time accepted the change, which was based on an argument from formal logic by Randall Holmes, then serving as pc's "replacement" as TLI's resident logician. 

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