Re: [lojban] RE: zi'o and modals

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

la ritcrd cusku di'e

> ti botpi le djacu le blaci noda
>
> I was interpreting it as "this is a glass bottle of water with no x that
> is a cap."  I now see it as "It is false that this is a glass bottle
> with water and some cap x."

Exactly.

> Except, now it bothers me even more that {ti botpi fo zi'o} doesn't
> exclude the set of all bottles that *do* have caps.  The way it is, how
> would you say, unambiguously, that "this is a botpi, except without a
> cap"?

You could say for example:

ti botpi fo zi'o secau lo gacri

but you are not really talking about a botpi there, zi'o changes
the realtionship to something else, and botpi is the weirdly
specific bottle-content-material-cap relationship.

Instead of using zi'o you could also talk of a {botpi simsa vasru}
for example, or {clani vasru}, or something like that.

Or (my favourite) forget that botpi has a fourth place and
assume it only has three places like normal Lojbanic containers.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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