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Re: [lojban] An approach to attitudinals

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:16:38PM -0400, Rob Speer wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 05:53:24PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 05:05:20PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> 
> Um. Would the real Robin Lee Powell please stand up?

<grin>

> > > Here's an extension that I think I like:
> > > 
> > > 1.  In a sentence by itself, UI is a bare emotion.
> > > 2.  At the front of a sentence, UI modifies the assertive nature of the
> > > whole bridi.
> > > 3.  After a particular sumti, UI modifies the assertive nature of the
> > > element, but leaves the assertive nature of the bridi alone.
> > > 4.  After the brivla, UI does not modify the assertive nature at all.
> > > 
> > > Note that #2 contravenes the book.
> 
> > Which is stupid.  So, how about this:
> > 
> > 1.  In a sentence by itself, UI is a bare emotion.
> > 
> > 2.  At the front of a sentence, UI does not modify the assertive nature
> > of anything at all.
> > 
> > 3.  After a particular sumti, UI modifies the assertive nature of the
> > element, but leaves the assertive nature of the bridi alone.
> > 
> > 4.  After the brivla, UI modifies the assertive of the bridi as a whole.
> 
> Your #2, on the other hand, contradicts actual usage as well as the book
> (consider 'xu').
> 
> I get the idea that if we follow the Book to the letter, we get the ambiguous
> mess we have now. I think that if the o* and u* attitudinals were assumed to
> have no significant effect on the assertive nature of a sentence, it would
> bring things into line nicely while only contradicting the Book in a part
> that's vague anyway.

I don't want to use categories like that at all, if possible.  Besides:

.ui do klama
I'd be happy if 'do klama' was true.

Is pretty useful, even if it does overlap with .a'o.

-Robin

-- 
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