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Re: [lojban] Help!! learning Lojban
At 10:06 AM 06/22/2001 +0000, yahoo@gdyke.org wrote:
Last time I posted, I tried to say something in Lojban, but it took me
ages to work out what I was being answered. Since then, I've been
lurking and trying to understand what you're on about ;) tough with
over 800 posts this month!
So I set about trying to understand a text written in Lojban ("I have a
dream" speech). Either I didn't choose the easiest one or I'm not very
good at logical thinking or Nick is using a brand of lojban that's not
in the book ;)
You chose a difficult text, one that is filled with metaphor in English,
and your translation was quite literal. (Put more simply, "it loses
something in the translation".)
.i ca lenu mi'o gasnu lenu le kamzifre cu janbe .i ca lenu gasnu lenu
ri janbe vi ro cmatca .e ro jectypau .e ro tcadu kei mi'o lirgau le
djedi poi ro panzi be la jegvon. be'o noi xekri ja blabi gi'e xebro ja
nalxebro gi'e se lijdrprotes-tante ja se lijdrkatoliko cu simxanjai ca
ke'a gi'e sanga le slabu ke frikymerko jdaselsanga po'u lu .i co'a .u'a
zifre .i co'a .u'a zifre .i ki'e jegvon. noi tsarai ku'o mi'a co'a .u'a
zifre li'u
**Now, the event of we do the event of freedom is a bell??. the now
doing of event freedom is a bell? here producing sound all villages and
all states and all ci-ties... FUCK I've had enough!
And you were doing so well! Now quick: what verb does one associate with a
bell producing a tone? There is an American English idiom associated with
that verb and the "event of freedom".
One of the problems with translating famous texts to Lojban is that they
seldom go into Lojban, and remain as memorable or as understandable even if
the translation is optimal. Original Lojban text tends to be structured
around the language and the way its words work, whereas translations have
to stretch the language to fit metaphors and structures of other languages
(otherwise they are seen a paraphrases rather than translations).
lojbab
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