coi rodo I'm fairly new to lojban and I was wondering if there is a way to use the imperative even when the listener (who you want to do the action) is not part of the action. I.e. ko tavla fo la lojban. means "Speak in lojban!" but how do you say "Make the bird speak in lojban!" mi'e cein. NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net