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Re: [lojban] Epictetus, Discourses 1.1


la nitcion cusku di'e


You mean, I suppose, that naku is natural and na is not, right? I suspect
so too. I'm not quite in a position to hunt down typological surveys of
negation; And, would you have access to this sort of thing? If you're
really keen to know, I'll see if I can't reattach to the grapevine of
erstwhile colleagues...


Just curious. It's a mistake that almost all of us make constantly
when not being extremely careful in our use of the language. I'm
not sure I shouldn't just give up on the official meaning and start
using it consistently with just bridi-tail scope. What's the point
of forcing an unnatural usage if we can't manage to follow it even
when we try?


Re: te mabla, te zabna
> Your use fits neither, so what is your definition?

Well, I guess it's in between. Because of the "word" implied in the gismu
list, I take mabla and zabna to be primarily linguistic rather than mental
activities. So their x3 is someone praising or dismissing, not someone
thinking that something is praiseworthy or dismissable.


So to you {te mabla} and {te zabna]} are kinds of {cusku}?

I can get those as {malcusku} and {zancusku}. (ko'a cusku be
le sedu'u ko'e mabla, ko'a cusku be le sedu'u ko'e zabna). How
do you get the purely descriptive sense?


But I think both fit Epictetus: because you will have proper Stoic
detatchment and judgement, you will not bother cursing or flattering
anyone --- or for that matter making emotive judgements on things other
than as they really are (which is I assume why the x1 and x2 of mabla and
zabna are distinct)


I take x2 to be a property of x1: {la meris cu mabla le ka mamta},
"Mary is lousy as a mother".


Now if only someone would tell me what the Lojban for "The world is
everything that is the case" is...


le munje cu pirosi'e loi fatci

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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