Re: [lojban] Re: noxemol ce'u

[Rob Speer <rob@twcny.rr.com>]

On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 06:56:24PM -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote:
> > pc, your entire argument seems to revolve around this incorrect statement.
> > There is no subordinate bridi in {le mamta be ce'u}. You can gripe all you 
> > want
> > that it would be more "linguistically correct" if that were considered a 
> > bridi,
> > but at this point it sounds just like tinkit claiming hexadecimal is the
> 
> See definition of {bridi} provided in same note.  Sloppy usage is common, but 
> no reason why we should follow it or let someone use it to grind us down.  
> Let And keep chinging what he says until he finally gets something that is 
> nontrivial and true.

{mamta be ce'u} is what you're saying is a bridi, right?
It is a relationship among arguments, true. What it is not is a separate level
of a Lojban sentence, because it is preceded by {le}.

Articles like {le} refer to what would fill the x1 of a bridi which corresponds
to what comes next. They do not actually include that bridi in the sentence.

If the construction which {le} starts is a considered a separate one of what we
call "bridi" for convenience, then {lenei} becomes utter nonsense.

{la djan viska lenei}: John sees himself
However, if {nei} is counted as a bridi even though it is part of a {le}
clause:
{la djan viska lenei}: John sees something which is itself

-- 
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noi sarji zo gumri