Re: [lojban] a construal of lo'e & le'e

["Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" <lojbab@lojban.org>]

At 02:01 AM 10/30/01 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote:
> >  (The last
> >round he said that {lo'e broda} was abstract
>
> Is {lo'e broda}, construed as "the typical", abstract? I think
> the prototype/myopic-singular is as abstract or not as is the typical.
> I have no problem with {lo'e tanxe cu dacti}, "boxes are material
> objects", and I suppose you wouldn't object to saying that "the
> typical box is a material object", so are they material objects
> or are they abstract? On the other hand, there certainly is
> abstraction going on when thinking of the generic/prototype/
> myopically singular box, as much as in thinking of the average
> box.
>
> >but did not have properties that
> >no broda had!)
>
> I think it can have properties that no broda has by itself.
> For example, we can talk about it when not talking about
> any broda by itself.

My attempt at formulating this, probably foredoomed, since I will use the 
disputed words, is that lo'e broda is any object (which may or may not 
exist) that possesses the necessary properties "lo ka ce'u 
broda"  (Something me wants to put "ce'uxipa ka ce'uxire broda", the 
necessary properties being the xipa, and the xire being the "da poi broda", 
but I don't know how to do this clearly mixing the two languages).

lojbab
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