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Re: [lojban] Logical translation request
At 01:07 AM 12/21/01 +0000, Adam Raizen wrote:
la lojbab. cusku di'e
> > > Probably it is ungrammatical either because a) we never thought
of adding a
> > > rule for CAhA+NAI because we couldn't think of what such a thing
might
> > > mean
> >
> >This seems to bias s-w effects, doesn't it?
>
> Not likely, since there has been no plan to examine S-W effects
based on
> the tense system.
That seems kind of silly. Wasn't the Hopi tense system *the* S-W
effect par excellence for Whorf? If we're not going to examine S-W
effects based on the tense system, and not ones based on the
vocabulary, what are we left with? Just the logic?
All JCB planned for is a "normal" language with the logic aspect skewed to
the extreme.
Now it turns out that the attitudinal system also may be worthy of a SW
test, but that system operates more or less independently of the logic
system. The tense system does not.
It is not clear whether it is advantageous to have lots of potential SW
effects in unrelated areas in the language, since the test will necessarily
involve trying to figure out what caused the effect, and if there are too
many variables from a "standard" language, then we won't know what might
cause what effect.
But the tense system has never been all that novel. Really it is more or
less just a superset of all the tense systems of the world languages. Thus
it removes restrictions but does not really create any new expressive
capability that is different from natlangs. (The time travel tenses could
be thought of as something new, but they would have to be useful to give a
noticeable effect. Most of the bells and whistles of the tense system are
not particularly useful in everyday situations.)
lojbab
lojbab
Why don't we just
see if people's world-view changes when they learn formal logic and
save ourselves a lot of trouble.
mu'o mi'e .adam.
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