I just made this up for "apostle" and am not sure what the place structure should be. notci: message, subject, author, audience preja: thing, final extent, initial extent gasnu: doer, effect The effect is the spreading of the message, so x1 of {notpejgau} is the apostle and the places of {notpe'a} are bumped by one. n1=p1, p2=n4. But should n2 and n3 be dropped? Can p3 be replaced with the apostle's origin? phma