On Friday 29 March 2002 20:46, aolung wrote: > --- In lojban@y..., pycyn@a... wrote: > > I wonder whether anybody could give me some hints on this topic: > > doi cevni be mi ki'u ma do cliva mi To give the sense of injury, I would change "cliva" to "kusli'a" (= kusru cliva = leave cruelly) robin.tr