la pycyn. cusku di'e > Further, the first place of {bapli} is a force (given as a {ka}, i.e. {du'u > ce'u}!), not an event. But the place structure was written by lojbab, who has a different idea of what a 'ka' is. I think that we can safely say that in "normal" lojban ;-) the first place is a 'nu' (or whatever you decide to put in 'mukti', 'rinka', etc.) mu'o mi'e .adam.