[lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all}

[Alex Martini <alexjm@umich.edu>]

This is getting to be a really good example of a too-long thread.  
Which I normally wouldn't point out, except that I really don't see  
that we're clearing anything up in the process. I think a short study  
break might be in order.

First, regardless of how we like it, {all} doesn't have a single  
definition. Rather, it has many interpretations depending on how it's  
used. This is actually not that unusual; in my first Intro to  
Linguistics course, we found quite a large number of these only  
looking at English. These English cmavo-type words (for lack of a  
better term) are exceptionally difficult for even the best linguists  
to nail down entirely because they are very fluid around the other  
words in the discourse. If you want another example, write down every  
use of {so} in a discourse. By my count it has at least  4 different  
functions, most of which have nothing to do with the core meaning of  
{x so therefore y}.

Also, here are a few useful websites that describe how lo/le are  
currently defined in Lojban and some proposed (and possibly accepted)  
modification to the rules. I would ask that we take a short  
intermission and (re)read these.
	
	From CLL http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki- 
download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=192
	
	http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=How+to+use+xorlo&bl
	http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+gadri&bl
	http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Robin's%20gadri% 
20Proposal

	Maybe this too: http://ptolemy.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/ 
lessons/less4articles.html

Finally, let's look at exactly what we want to define. So far, I see  
two big questions. What's the difference between {le} and {lo}, and  
their counterparts {lei} and {loi}? Also, how do the inner and outer  
quantifier, especially {ro} interact with each of these.

I really don't feel that I know Lojban well enough yet to make a good  
explanation of the difference between {le} and {lo} without lapsing  
into malglico Lojban, which isn't very helpful.

[ li'osai ]

mu'omi'e .aleks.


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