[lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all}

[John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>]

Very nice.  But, since the terms might be
differently predicated on the two brivla, we
would have to place the markers on the predicate
not the term.  This seems to mean that these
markers would themselves be strung out like terms
with the predicate, to be properly correllated
with the terms in the term list, probably
something like (using d and c for distrib and
collect) 
ko'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u broda d c c d c * brode
c d d c d  (* because I suspect the conjunction
at this point will change since we are connective
bridi tails not selbri).  Not yet a very comely
system, though it would be rare that we would
need to show all the markers.  Still, it does
circumvent the problem you not (and, no doubt
creates other for the parser or interpreter).

--- Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/5/06, John E Clifford
> <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > As you may recall, my suggestion mirrors
> the
> > > > English for "individually" and
> "collectively" (or
> > > > "together"), attaching as convenient to
> sumti or
> > > > predicate place (so, I suppose that UI is
> about
> > > > the only selmaho that will work -- unless
> we
> > > > invent a new one).
> 
> Here is a mathematical proof that it cannot be
> done with a
> single word. Consider the sentence:
> 
>      ko'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u broda gi'e brode
> 
> It consists of eight words, so there are
> exactly nine places where
> a word meaning "together" could be added.
> 
> But there are ten argument places it could be
> modifying:
> each of the five slots of broda and each of the
> five slots of brode.
> 
> Therefore, a single word, no matter how
> strategically well placed, could
> not be used to do the job of unambiguously
> marking any sumti slot
> as collective.
> 
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
> 
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