[lojban] Re: Place structure of "krokoziabra"?

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Sat, 2009-02-28 at 04:27 +0000, Minimiscience wrote:
> Firstly, it would be nice if you told us what natural language word you were
> trying to make into a {fu'ivla} instead of requiring us to sift through Google
> results to figure out what you're talking about.
> 
> Anyway, after realizing that you're referring to "kryakozyabry," I suggest:
> 
>     x1 = misdecoded character
>     x2 = intended character
>     x3 = proper encoding
>     x4 = incorrect decoding

That seems good and I'll go with it.

> Or, if you want a place structure that parallels that of "{fanva}":
> 
>     x1 = agent
>     x2 = intended character
>     x3 = proper encoding
>     x4 = incorrect decoding
>     x5 = misdecoded character

That sounds like a good place structure for "srelerfanva", though I'd
use that for "make a mistake when transliterating" rather than
"transliterate from the wrong encoding".

> Also, you might want to create the {fu'ivla} from "mojibake" instead, which
> seems to be the more popular term, judging by the fact that it returns almost
> ten times as many hits on Google as "kryakozyabry" does, and that "mojibake" is
> the name of the Wikipedia article dealing with the concept.  Alternatively, it
> shouldn't be too hard to come up with a suitable {lujvo} to use instead;
> "{spole'u}" and "{pofle'u}" come to mind.

"kriakoziabra" and "krokoziabra" (which are variants in Russian; the
"-y" is a plural ending) are already valid fu'ivla; "mojibake" is not
(though "omjibake" is). Russian is one of the six source languages;
Japanese isn't.

For {pofle'u} I think the meaning is "x1 is a letter in writing system
x2 which doesn't represent x3 because it's broken". Not sure about
{spole'u}, but neither lujvo has a place for the two encodings.

Pierre


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