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[lojban] Re: Newbie questions

On 3/15/09, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Sunday 15 March 2009 00:56:30 MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote:
>> phma@phma.optus.nu writes:
>> > (not "doitclant", as that is "doi tclant").
>>
>> "tcl" is not a valid initial consonant cluster, is it?  So how could "doi
>> tclant" be a valid parse of "doitclant"?
>
> "tc" and "cl" are both valid initials, and "tcl" is not "n[t|d][s|z|c|j]",
> so "tcl" is a valid initial. "tk", however, is not.

I don't consider "tcl" a valid initial, but the initial cluster rules
don't apply to cmevla in any case. "clsn" is a valid cmevla, even
though it is not a valid inicial cluster.

> I consider "tclytk"  valid, but I'm not sure about xorxes.

My current thinking is that both "tclytk" and "tcltk" are valid "free
names" ("zifcme"), but neither is a fully lojbanized name ("jbocme").
I define a jbocme as a cmevla that consists exclusively of syllables
that can occur in brivla.


On 3/15/09, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> Why in the world are "jn" and "zn" not valid initial clusters?

Probably because someone found them hard to pronounce, or easy to
confuse with something else.

"jl", "zl", "jr", "zr" are similar cases.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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