[lojban] Re: xorlo and the expansion of bridi

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Roman Naumann
<roman_naumann@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> coi rodo
>
> I wonder how bridi expand with xorlo.
>
> Before xorlo
> {A lo B gerku cu vasxu} ("A of B dogs breath" and "B dogs exist")

(BTW, what does "B dogs exist" mean to you exactly? Is that the number
of dogs alive at the time of the utterance, the number of dogs that
have ever existed or will exist on this planet, or something else,
depending on the context?)

> expanded to
> {B da poi gerku ku'o A da vasxu}.
> Where A and B are PA.
>
> Is the (without-xorlo-)expansion correct?

No, you have "B da poi gerku ku'o" as the x1 of vasxu, and "A da" as
the x2. Also, binding the same variable twice doesn't make much sense.

> How does {A lo B gerku cu vasxu} expand with xorlo?

It might be something like this:

lo gerku goi ko'a cu klani li B .i A ko'a cu vasxu
The dogs are B in number. A of them breath.

Or we could put everything in one bridi as:

A da poi me lo gerku noi klani li B cu vasxu
A of the dogs, which are B in all, breath.

But this is not exactly about xorlo, at least not about "lo". This is
how quantifiers work in general. An outer quantifier on any sumti
works the same way:

A <sumti> cu broda
= A da poi me <sumti> cu broda
A of the referents of <sumti> are broda.

And the inner quantifier also works the same for all sumti, it gives
the number of referents that the sumti has.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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