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Re: [lojban] Re: fi'e or fi'i or other?



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.i ta'o lo cmene be do cu simsa la .fanki,uinkrbin. xu

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
doi .kribacr.  .i ki'e

I suppose this is what I get for not finishing the reading of LFB.  ;-)

mi'e xuinkrbin.

2009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>

coi .xuinkrbin.

{rafsi} and modals are -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fact any cmavo) loosely based on the structure of a word are just that - loosely based on the structure of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list are intended to be used as the building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a modal of the same word, it's a happy coincidence.

{fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is definitely the vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just that - a rafsi of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something like {sutra} - {sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to make something up on the spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi'e}, the rafsi for {finpe} - brafi'e - barda finpe, large fish.

In short:

{fi'i do} - welcome to you!
{.i ti zdani fi'e do} - this is a house created by you
{.i mi sutfi'i} - i make things up on the spot
{.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish

Rafsi and modals are separate things.

mi'e .kribacr. mu'o


On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo
    I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti modal, 1st place (creator) created by ...".  However, fi'e is also a rafsi for finpe.  Should the "finti modal ..." actually refer to fi'i, the rafsi of finti?  If so, what of the fact the file states fi'i is a vocative indicative of hospitality/inhospitality?

mi'e xuinkrbin.