Re: [lojban] Re: The New Method

[Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>]

> I don't see the advantage of holding off on "cu". Forgetting "cu" is
> probably the most common mistake that beginners make. I think the best
> way to present terminators is to write sentences initially as "lo
> mlatu [ku] cu blabi [vau]", showing both that the terminator is there,
> and that it is elidable. Or maybe I just like that method because
> that's how they were taught to me, and it always seemed very clear.

I can buy that. Different things definitely work for different people.
I'm sure some of my personal experience (and thus bias) has leaked
into my method of teaching - I've been dodging the things that were
hard to grasp at first. It may not be necessarily easier to learn
terminators how I teach them, but it sure has been easier for me to
teach them how I teach them. :)

The whole tanru-unit-maybe-a-selbri-but-not-really-one thing has been
a sticking point. I like this new method but it does still seem to be
a little bit disingenuous in teaching what selbri *actually* are. Adam
was certainly better at explaining what I was trying to get at than I
was. (Thanks, xalbo!)

> If we had enough students, we could try a lot of variations.  Teaching the
> terminators as an actual part of the construct, which can in some cases be
> omitted if doing so doesn't cause a different parse, does seem to produce much
> better results than teaching them as something extra that needs to be added at
> odd times.

I'm trying my best to recruit {rau tadni}!

I think a solid community effort and a bit of testing and flexibility
can put our current collective efforts into a coherent and solid
teaching medium. While I may be championing it, I'm definitely not the
only man behind the movement. (As much as I'd like to take credit for
it...) xalbo, donri, all of my other co-teachers and of course my
ever-so-patient students deserve just as much credit as I do.

Thanks everyone for your feedback on the structure! Anyone have any
comments about the layout idea I had for the website?