Re: [lojban] Re: camxes's reaction to some fu'ivla

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Saturday 23 January 2010 09:14:05 Jorge Llambías wrote:
> Right. camxes accepts the CS syllable onset (where S stands for the
> semivowels i, u), although there has never been an official decision
> one way or the other about this. Why does vlatai reject them? I
> thought vlatai was generally more permissive than camxes about these
> things.

Apparently because "marti'o" is a lujvo and something to do with the Loglan 
compromise orthography.

> It should read them as "so iombo", "pe uence".

It does say "so iombo", but "pe uence" is ungrammatical.

> It's grammatical for example in "zo .a ierne", or "lo'u .a ierne le'u".

True, but a sentence can't begin with ".a ierne", and I didn't put anything 
before "a".

> Yes, because "am" and "liau" are valid syllables. camxes doesn't like
> CCS as syllable onset.

The issue is whether "iau" is a triphthong. The only hint in the refgram that 
there are triphthongs is "i,iai,i,iai,ion", and unlike the diphthongs where 
those that can occur in lujvo are distinguished from those that can't, 
there's no list of valid triphthongs. If "iau" is a triphthong, then "mliau" 
is one syllable, and a brivla must have at least two.

> (Although the phonological issues that still have to be officially
> settled are relatively few and marginal, the BPFK should make a
> decision about them at some point, it probably doesn't look very good
> for Lojban that we still haven't made up our mind about them.)

Can we get Nora involved? She's the third person on this committee.

Pierre

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