Re: [lojban] Re: stage-4 fu'ivla construction exception?

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Tuesday 09 March 2010 12:17:21 Jorge Llambías wrote:
> Yes, Pierre has pointed out this oversight in CLL before. I will add
> it to the errata page.

The example I came up with is "lerldjamo" (one of the Korean letters that are 
assembled into syllables), though one can avoid the problem for this word by 
saying "lerfrdjamo". "jikru" has no short rafsi.

> Independently of this situation, Stage-3 fu'ivla are not always
> unambiguously analyzable into classifier rafsi plus the rest. If you
> follow the CLL rules, any CVCrV or CVnrV gismu used as classifier is
> subject to this type of ambiguity. The "unwanted" reading, however, is
> very unlikely to occur, because the borrowed word would have to start
> with an unlikely consonant cluster. (like "ldjine" in your case).
>
> The way I have proposed to solve this is to add a rule that says that
> the lojbanized part of the fu'ivla, before adding the classifier, has
> to consist of valid lojban syllables (i.e., it has to start with a
> valid initial), so "jikrldjine" can only be analyzed as jikr-l-djine.

The way I think it should be resolved, and the way I think jbofi'e does it, is 
that if a stage-3 fu'ivla can be analyzed into either 3-letter rafsi + 
foreign part or 4-letter rafsi + foreign part, use the 4-letter rafsi. If the 
rule specified the 3-letter rafsi, then there are some combinations of gismu 
and foreign part for which it would be impossible to form a fu'ivla. 
(badnrnsete, badrntriste, badrnabri) There are some foreign parts which begin 
with invalid initial clusters for which it would be nice to be able to form 
fu'ivla, such as "gbe" ("bangrgbe"), a subfamily of African languages.

Pierre
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