On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 00:52, Christopher Doty
<suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
if we could do something that could make these recognizable as the names of countries/languages/etc.? Like, say, the first consonant is always /s/? Or is that not worth it...?
If we want a dense and obvious indicator, we can just use { gugde + <ISO 3166-1-alpha-2 code> }
No, I'm serious.
Again, I agree, but--why do bigger languages get "real" words, and others only "deserve" cmene (regardless, we should probably get the "deserve" out of the proposal :p)? What about in a few hundred years, when the dominant languages might be totally different, and this will seem really weird?
I think this is probably the right solution, with the caveat that what gets fi'uvla needs to be revised occasionally (say, every 100-150 years). Often that revision would probably not change much, but it might at some stages.
I figure leave the standards up to ISO, as new languages warrant official recognition as new distinct forms, these can change.
One other issue with both language and country names--are we using the English form to get the fi'uvla, or the native term? That is, is the fi'uvla for "Finland/Finnish" derived from "Finland" or from "Suomi?" I'd vote the second, as it introduces less bias. And, with languages, should the language "English" be demonstrably related to "England," or should it (could it?) be different?
Right. Autonymic = in its own language. So if everyone uses something that sounds like 'English' to refer to a language, thats what we mimic with the cmene/fu'ivla
Yeah, anything with "ethnicity," except as a gismu that says something reflects/seems like x ethnicity, should be chucked, IMO.
Agreed, they're ill-defined in the first place, and even worse over time.
Christianity
Islam
Irreligious/Atheism
Hinduism
Folk religion/Deism
Buddhism
Shinto
Sikhism
Judaism
Bahá'í Faith
Jainism
See my other thread, I think that universally accepted definitions of the dogma and/or descriptions of the practice should be used to coin meaningful gismu, because if we treat these 'belief systems' as names, they are also liable to lose meaning over time.
I think the "Folk religion" one is especially important, as it would provide a good way for people to describe their beliefs. Actually, maybe there should be two gismu: one for "(world?) religion X" and one for "native religion of X people." We would have to think about Shinto, though, since Shinto is basically the native religion of the Japanese people, so it might not need it's own fi'uvla, but rather a conventionalized cmene....?
Try and think of a tanru/lujvo, translate it's meaning and stick a 'la' in front of it, or just use the original japanese term if it needs more context =p.
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- Geography? Who's version?
Do we stop at Australia or Greenland? To be thorough, I would think this should be left to some earth experts to decide just which land masses, tectonic plates, bodies of water, air masses and climactic systems would be useful to name. On a tangent, how about constellations or a complete periodic table of elements? Also, I don't see any way to come up with 'autonymic' terms for such natural entities, maybe they are better off with meaningful lujvo instead.
I am not a geologist/geographer/etc., but my impression was that the idea of the seven standard continents was pretty widely excepted. Oh, but I see now that that seems to be largely by convention. In looking at the map of the major tectonic plates, though, (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plates_tect2_en.svg), making the fi'uvla technically mean "a land mass on X plate" might be useful...
Right, any earth scientists in the mailing list?