Re: [lojban] Summary: Cultural fu'ivla

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com> wrote:
> El 31/03/2010 04:43 p.m., Christopher Doty escribió:
>>
>> I must say I find the disconnect between the claims of cultural neutral
>> and violation of those claims in the very vocabulary of the language to
>> be completely weird.  Illogical, even.
>
> I must say I agree with that last part. Some countries having a gismu
> and others not isn't cultural neutrality. But also it's important to
> maintain this gismu list.

My own preference is to go along the lines of:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/experimental+cultural+gismu

(That list covers mostly only European and South American
cultures/countries, however.)

I don't really like creating new gismu unless I'm going to use them.
The Alice translation, for example, uses the unofficial gismu "nuzlo",
for "New Zeland", and I have used a few others like spero, norgo,
xorvo, talno.

It's not such a good idea to invent a gismu for a language/culture you
are not at least somewhat familiar with, because you ran the risk of
creating things like "jungo" where "jonxo" might have been a lot
better. (Or things like "ketco", which I still find really weird after
all these years.)

> Perhaps all of this should be done, as lojbab said, with fu'ivla, and
> encourage all the people to use this ones instead of the existing gismu,
> hoping all lojbanist find this gismu as awful as we do.

A complete list of fu'ivla for all UN member countries would probably
be a useful thing to have around. If anyone is going to go about it,
they should probably search the wiki and the lojban wikipedia to save
some effort, as there have been at least partial attempts before.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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