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RE: [lojban] Whatever


la and cusku di'e


But anyway, assuming that something that costs $0.00 is rupnu
li no, rather than rupnu no da, why would you want your
sentence to cover things that rupnu no da -- i.e. things
that are in some sense priceless.


I don't really, that's why I said in this case it wouldn't make
that much sense. But in another sentence with the same structure
we may want that case covered. Let's say:

     mi ba te vecnu ta ije do jinvi makau la'e di'u
     I will buy it, whatever you may think about it.


ro da zo'u, in every possible future in which ta rupnu da,
mi te vecnu ta

ro da zo'u ro ba'oi tu'o du'u ta rupnu da kei mi te vecnu ta

This is a much better rendition of the English than my original
paraphrase.


I don't know it's that important that it be in the future:

     mi pu te vecnu ta ije ta pu rupnu makau
     I bought it, whatever it cost.


It makes it clearer that indirect questions
always seem to involve universal quantifiers having scope over
some sort of operator [WHAT SORT? ANY SORT?] that has scope
over the variable bound by the quantifier.


I don't think I really want "I bought it" within the scope of
anything, its truth is independent of the rest. The kau-phrase
is a tautology, as it stands for the answer to {ta pu rupnu ma}.


>         mi ba te vecnu ta ije xokau prenu na nelci ta
>         I will buy it, however many people don't like it.

ro da zo'u, in every possible future in which da is the
cardinality of lo'i ge prenu gi na nelci ta, mi te vecnu ta


And this one:

        mi pu te vecnu ta ije xokau prenu na nelci ta
        I bought it, however many people didn't like it.

(That's "however-many", not "however, many".)


BTW, let me make it clear that I'm not opposed to Q-kau, so long
as our goal is to seek a clear logical definition of it, such
that the logical structure of any Q-kau sentence can be
algorithmically derived.


Yes, I'd like to understand it too. We should probably just
concentrate on makau, because if xukau and xokau must involve
truth values and cardinalities of sets, that's just an unnecessary
complication.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



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