MorphemeAddict wrote:
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org <mailto:lojbab@lojban.org>> wrote:There aren't many Lojban words with more than 4 places, where thereare, as with klama, the interrelationship of the places may help to keep them in mind destination-origin-route all go together, so when saying a Lojban bridi based on klama with all 5 places expressed, in my experience actually speaking the language, places 2-3-4 tend to unify mentally (and I have used all 5 places of klama in speech, though x5 tends to be obvious most of the time and doesn't need to be spoken). I think other verbs of motion that parallel klama work the same way.I have always been confused by this ordering of klama's arguments. Mentioning the end-point before the start-point just seems backwards to me.
klama represents two common English verbs in its unconverted form "come" and "go". In both cases the direct object is the destination. I think (but cannot recall and my foreign language knowledge is abysmal) that other languages are the same in putting focus on the destination, probably because that is the more common or useful "new" information.
In general we tried to make the oblique places (x3 and up) the sorts of things that might be left elliptical, while allowing them to be expressed when desired, and most importantly for some words, making clear that they were part of the "meaning"
(I realize that the above is incredibly sloppy in linguistic terminology, but I am too rusty to express things more correctly).
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