Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

'lo broda' refers to the sense of 'broda'?  I thought it referred to brodas.  And in what way is the sense of a word a generic anything.  This seems to be a set of rambling category mistakes all over the place.  WTF?



----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 7:47:09 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:31 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jorge Llambías, On 17/04/2010 19:09:
>>
>> "lo ge broda gi brode" is ungrammatical. "lo gu'e broda gu'i broda" is
>> grammatical but it's a tanru, which opens a different can of worms.
>>
>> We can do "zo'e noi ke'a ge broda gi brode cu brodi",
>
> I don't remember: can't "zo'e noi ke'a ge broda gi brode" or "zo'e poi ke'a
> ge broda gi brode" be done with a gadri and a connective (gihek, hek,
> whatever)?

You introduced "poi'i" for this purpose:

  lo poi'i (ce'u) ge broda gi brode

and I proposed using "seka" for the same:

  lo seka (ce'u) ge broda gi brode


> Setting the particulars of gadri aside, and thinking about (logical)
> language in general, generics would be the basic, primitive type, because
> they essentially involve identifying the referent by name (e.g. generic
> "wine" simply refers to the sense of "wine"). In principle there could be a
> generic gadri that simply points to the sense of the gadri's bridi-tail
> complement.

That's basically my understanding of "lo", and then "le" and "lo'e"
can occasionally be used for more precision, for specific and for
(non-specific) generic respectively, except they are normally not
needed.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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