Re: [lojban] About plural 'ro'

An ancient argument. The usual line is that "everyone who" implies that there is someone who and "anyone who" does not. There is another, barely minority, side that denies any such difference at all. Those who hold that there is no difference are also divided about whether the no difference has or lacks existential import. Lojban is split along those lines pretty sharply and I don't off hand know who is ahead at the moment (xorxes is of the no difference school, as far as I remember, and no import; I am of the other)
I would translate "anyone who" as 'ro da ganai da ... gi...' and "everyone who" and 'ro da poi'; xorxes would probably take these to be equivalent, along with a variety of things involving 'lo'.

From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 8:04:13 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] About plural 'ro'

> ro da poi bevri lo co'e cu ba se cnemu
> "Anyone who carries the thing will be rewarded."

I read this as "everyone who carries the thing will be rewarded"... in this context are there any differences between "anyone who..." and "everyone who..."?

2010/4/22 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:34 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the reductio ad absurdum. What gives the right result in this system is so remote from the question at hand as to demonstrate the total inadequacy of the system.

So:

ro da poi bevri lo co'e cu ba se cnemu

"Anyone who carries the thing will be rewarded."

would be close to the question at hand, except it gives the wrong result, while:

ro da poi me lo bevri be lo co'e cu ba se cnemu
"Anyone who is among the carriers of the thing will be rewarded."

is remote from the question at hand, even though it gives the right
result? Just adding three little words makes the system totally
inadequate?

OK. What's an adequate system then?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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