So can ku terminate bai as well? E.g. "mu'iku mi klama". Not sure exactly that would be... with some motive, I go?
On Oct 3, 2010 1:06 PM, "Jorge Llambías" <
jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Ian Johnson <
blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can you explain the use of {ku} to do something other than terminating LE? I
>> haven't seen this before, outside of this case with PU, which I had thought
>> was somehow anomalous (which was one of the reasons I came up with this
>> idea).
>
> This is where CLL explains it:
http://jbotcan.org/docs/cll/c9/s9.html>
> (Something weird happened to the html at the end of that page. I don't
> know if anyone is maintaining it.)
>
> "ca ku" and "ba ku" are probably the two most commonly used.
>
> I have used "va'o nai ku" for "otherwise", i.e. something like "not
> under (contextual conditions)".
>
> "pu zu vu ku" has also been used as the start of fairy tales, as in
> "once upon the time" or "long ago and far away".
>
> There are probably other common uses of "tag KU" that I'm forgetting now.
>
>> Some example sentences:
>> ca ja'u mi klama lo zarci
>> "I am going to a store at this moment"
>> is the obvious example, which can apparently be done equivalently with
>> {nau}:
>> nau ku mi klama lo zarci
>
> Right.
>
>> The other example that {nau} can't do is using {ja'u} as an argument, which
>> I can't immediately think of a good example for, but:
>> lo broda ku brode ja'u
>> would be grammatical. This is more exact as a usage than {lo cabna be dei},
>> in that it doesn't point to one or more things simultaneous with the
>> utterance, but rather to the time that the utterance is made itself.
>
> You can also use "lo tcika be dei" or "lo detri be dei" for a
> different type of precision.
>
>> It might be more useful, now that I think about it, to have a conversion
>> from tenses to time sumti, so that one could point at the present moment via
>> a conversion from {nau}, as well as assign other times via conversion of the
>> other things in PU.
>
> We have FIhO to convert a selbri into a tag. Since every tag (tenses
> are one case of tags) can be thought of as "FIhO broda" for some
> appropriate broda, all you need to do is figure out which broda
> corresponds to the tag you want to convert, and then use "lo broda" as
> the sumti.
>
>> I haven't thought very hard about the grammar here (I
>> don't even know if there's a selma'o for this) but (using {ja'u} since it is
>> actually fairly hard to find a free CV'V):
>> .i ja'u pu zo'e [ku?] goi ko'a mi klama lo zarci .i ba ko'a mi klama lo
>> zdani
>> "At an earlier time (ko'a) I went to a store). After that, I {tense relative
>> to the present not specified} go to a house."
>
> You could say:
>
> pu ku ca zo'e goi ko'a mi klama lo zarci .i ba ko'a mi klama lo zdani
>
> Personally, I think Lojban already has way more cmavo than it should,
> so I'm generally not in favor of adding new cmavo just because one can
> think of possible uses for them.
>
> I think it might not have been a bad idea for "nau" to be in selma'o
> KOhA rather than being a tag, but I don't think adding things to KOhA
> now is such a good idea, when I would like to remove about half the
> things that are there already.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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