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Re: [lojban] cu-alike for other situations



Ok, so the general rule when reading a piece of text and encountering a {cu} is "ok, whatever comes next, it's applied to the main selbri (either it is the main selbri, or it's going in the FV slot)".  Does that sound right?  Can {CU} be followed by BAI?  How about tags in general?  It seems inconsistent to say that {cu fi} is good but {cu ca} is not.  FA and PU behave the same in nearly all other respects.  Why should they be different here?

For the record, I think it's a great idea.  It seems a shame that with as useful as {cu} is, it's only allowed to be used to "pop out" to the main selbri.

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
Oh, it might be a {vau} too.  It certainly is in the cases below;
it's substituting for {kei vau ku}.

I wasn't proposing that it be general; that's been the problem in
the past.  Trying to make a "pop back a sentence" general cmavo runs
into a lot of problems.  I was just thinking about adding {cu FA} to
{cu SELBRI}.

-Robin

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 02:14:43PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
> So in this system "cu" becomes a generic shortcut for <insert all
> terminators that are applicable except for vau>?
>
> ... sounds cool if I'm understanding it correctly (probably not)
>
> On Oct 31, 2010 1:31 PM, "Robin Lee Powell" <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
> wrote:
> > Something that I and some others have talked about on IRC a few
> > times is "Wow, cu is pretty useful when deeply nested; wouldn't it
> > be nice to have something like that that could work in other places
> > besides before the selbri?".
> >
> > This turns out to be surprisingly tricky; many ideas have been shown
> > to be unworkable.
> >
> > I think I might finally have something: mark FA as needing
> > terminator closure before it. Example:
> >
> > mi denpa le nu do xruti fi le nu zutse
> >
> > vs.
> >
> > mi denpa le nu do xruti cu fi le nu zutse
> >
> > "cu fi" means "close terminators, at least one, until a fi is
> > allowed". More than one cu would be allowed there, with the obvious
> > effect.
> >
> > Please note that I am NOT attached to "cu" here; a postfix new cmavo
> > (i.e. "fi xu'u"), or whatever, would be fine. (IIRC postfix is
> > easier in terms of grammatical simplicity, but it's been a while).
> >
> > -Robin
> >
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