Re: [lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!).

[Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com>]

2010/11/12 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Syntactically, they're unambiguously the same word.
>
> That's what I'm saying, yes.
>
>> Semantically... well, they're probably the same in most cases, but as
>> a simple matter of pragmatics I'm pretty sure that if you know a
>> Martin and a Martín who both speak Lojban and are in the room, and you
>> say "doi .martin. mi do prami" nobody's going to get confused about
>> which one you're declaring your feelings for.
>
> At least nobody who is also aware of their non-Lojban name. But that
> could also be true even if they both shared the same identical
> non-Lojban name. In most cases people will figure out which ".martin."
> you mean just from their knowledge of the situation, who you are
> looking at when speaking, or many other clues.
>

True. But I think it's perfectly plausible, if not even remotely
common, for the morphologically-irrelevant difference in pronunciation
of the same cmevla to be relevant in a specific instance. (Plus,
pronouncing somebody's name with the stress they like on it is
friendly.)

But yeah, there's no doubt about the fact that, from a morphological
and syntactical standpoint, .martin. and .marTIN. are the same name.
Ditto .ai,on,ys., .a,iO,nys., and any other variation in placement of
the commas and the stress. As far as the grammar is concerned, it is
as irrelevant as the fact that I say the name with a rounded .y. This
isn't a matter for disagreement; it's a feature of the official
parser.

 - mi'e .kreig.daniyl.
(which by the way is why I often round my .y.'s - otherwise I catch
myself saying .dani,l., which is not my name.)

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