[lojban] Re: I wanted to share this with you (writing thingy!).

[Amber Shadow <ambersshadows@gmail.com>]

So I decided I wanted to build one Lindar's idea, and that I actually
liked how the original Elian script looked better, so i used that as a
starting point.
After many iterations (starting with going alphabetically, then after
Lindar explained that he arranged his in the order: Plosive,
Fricative, Other; I tried that but with a small alteration) I went
full circle to Lindar's original setup. Which I find interesting. The
difference between now, and before, is that I now understand why he
arranged the letters in the particular way and it makes a lot of
sense. So once again I thought I had a better idea, and Lindar ends up
being right. Curse you :P

However, I do have some additions that I made and would like to share.
The way it's set up if you want you can do it Lindar's way (vowels
inside consonants, etc), or do it my way (using the original Elian
script style) and they don't overlap (Well, except for the four vowel
diphthongs in Lindar's vs the Y and punctuation in mine), so you can
easily tell which is which.

My idea was to make it easy to write in lojban, and in english using
this one system. I think I've succeeded. The only thing is that you
can't use apostrophes in writing english because they're taken by 'H'
in the cross with lojban. That, however, I believe is extremely minor.
Also, a note, for writing in english replace Qs with Ks and Ws with
Us. It works.

You may now turn the spotlight back on Lindar :)

[ Link to example: http://yfrog.com/ghlojbanenglishelianp ]

P.S. It goes PFL --> Plosives Fricatives Approximant-Plosive-
Fricative. Too bad the word Approximant doesn't start with an L :P
(This helps me remember the letter order, fyi)

P.P.S. Sorry if this was an uncalled for posting. But I like sharing
my ideas. Even if they were hijacked from someone else.

On Nov 9, 11:01 am, Lindar <lindartheb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> (REPOST WITH MORE STUFF ADDED)
>
> Okay, since we've got so much confusion here, I will be very explicit.http://jbotcan.org/ideas/res/585.html
> This holds the entire thread.
>
> http://jbotcan.org/ideas/thumb/1289102653812s.jpg
> This picture outlines the basic script. It shows the grid and how the
> system was developed for a Lojban mode. Each corner of the hash
> corresponds to a letter. The example text reads {.i .o'i mu xagji
> sofybakni cu zvati le purdi}. This shows an example of every character
> (minus the 'hard-diphthongs'), so please refer to this as your core
> example. For those of you that just can't seem to get it, {.y'y} would
> be written:
>
> X X
> . ^
>
> I hope that clears up an confusion on the 'non-letters'.
>
> http://jbotcan.org/ideas/thumb/1289103671236s.jpg
> This picture outlines several writing styles. The first two were
> hastily written with a round tip in two different fashions to
> illustrate how each character may be 'casually' written. Note that
> {coi} is the first word, and is a great example of how characters may
> be variably written. It can be written as a u or a |_|, as long as
> it's obvious that all 'sides' are equal(-ish) in length and that the
> top is open. We can also see in the first two lines that {rodo} is
> written two different ways. In the first, the D is written hanging
> down, whereas in the second it's written ===| with the horizontal bars
> extended instead. This is to illustrate that it doesn't matter which
> dimension is lengthened as long as it's made obvious that it is not
> equal in all dimensions. This is driven home in the third and fourth
> examples because all of the sides -are- equal, but in both there is a
> tail dropping downward. All four examples say {coi rodo mi'e
> la .lindar.} except the third which says {.lin.} because I was sloppy.
> Refer to this for style guides.
>
> http://jbotcan.org/ideas/thumb/1289106614940s.jpg
> This illustrates how the 'soft' diphthongs are made. I wanted to, for
> the sake of consistency, fill in the entire grid for the vowels as
> well. So AU AI EI OI have a single character. However, to come up with
> single characters for every permutation of initial I and initial U
> would be very difficult, especially since we've nearly exhausted every
> permutation of this grid system. To make this easier, diphthongs that
> have an initial I are overlined and initial U are underlined. The
> first example reads {.ui}. It is the character {.i } with the diacrit
> underlined. The second is the character {.u } which has been
> overlined, giving us {.iu} as a result. The third is {.ua}, which is
> the {.a } character underlined. The final example is an overlined
> {.o }, which gives us {.io}.
>
> http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289156112875.png
> This is a nifty picture of a giant stone monster.
>
> http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289156177933.png
> This is a picture of the same using larlermorna in a 'stone etched'
> style of writing as another example of its use and stylisation. The
> bubble reads {.i ti mo}.
>
> http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289248658702.png
> Emphasis and slaka bu! Note that the slaka is a single half-length
> vertical line. The example reads, as it says next to it, {.lE,os.}.
> Note the denpa bu surrounding!
> The example(s) below it demonstrates the use of an emphasis marker.
> Dangerously close to denpa bu, but unmistakable because it can -only-
> appear inside of a phoneme, whereas denpabu before a consonant appears
> -next- to the consonant. So... a bit convoluted, but it makes sense.
>
> http://jbotcan.org/ideas/src/1289250735647.png
> Finally, an incomplete tutorial explaining how some stuff works.
>
> So... This entire post should contain every single aspect of how to
> write in larlermorna.

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