So long as empathy doesn't require that I feel the actual emotion myself, I'm fine with that. I don't want to say .oidai and accidentally imply that I .oi
On Nov 27, 2010 10:56 PM, "John E. Clifford" <
kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks! That clarifies matters nicely. So 'da'oi' just marks the speaker's empathetic sharing of the emotion of someone other than the you in the situation. So no problem with that. There is a problem, however, if the move is made from this _expression_ of my second-hand emotion to either a claim that the third party is feeling that emotion or an _expression_ of that third party's emotion. It is not clear which of these -- or something else -- the various participants in this discussion are proposing but what they say seems to be one or the other or the two mixed in some not very useful way. In any case, I take it that, in fact, both are quite correctly not supported in the actual system.
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> On Nov 27, 2010, at 19:20, Jorge Llambías <
jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now that I've remembered the absurdly useful "kau", my understanding of
> da'oi is that it is basically a shortcut for ... peikau doi... e.g. "do
> flira farlu .oiro'o da'oi la .nik." = "do flira farlu .oiro'opeikau doi la.nik."
>
> Not quite. "da'oi" can be used to express empathy with a third party,
> while "doi" only idenifies your interlocutor. "da'oi" is an expanded
> "dai", such that "dai"="da'oi zo'e".
>
> Also, you may be confusing "kau" with "paunai". "kau" outside of a
> subordinate clause will tell you "whatever the answer to this question
> is", it is not "this is a rhetorical question". So "oipeikau" is more
> like "whether you like it or not, it doesn't really matter what your
> answer is".
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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