Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 11:03:53 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Describing a predicate as a predicate
I suppose 'lo mu terbri' "five terms-serving-as-arguments"
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From: purpleposeidon <
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Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 10:40:47 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Describing a predicate as a predicate
{zo klama bridi fi mu terbri}, {zo klama bridi fi mu lo ro terbri}?
On 11/24/10, Ian Johnson <
blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> {lo si'o broda} expands to {lo si'o zo'e broda zo'e ...}. I don't want the
> idea involved in a proposition involving broda, a proposition involving
> broda, etc. I want to be talking about broda as a predicate.
>
> I don't actually know how to take {mu da} and put it into a sequence or set
> (short of using a vast excess of {ce'o} or {ce}), so unfortunately this has
> to be in English:
>
> The predicate "klama" takes five arguments.
>
> Anyway, {la'e zo} works. I had that idea before coming to this actually but
> I suspected for some reason that it might give me a concrete object. Nice to
> know that it doesn't, and that this isn't all that hard to do.
>
> .i ki'e .i mu'o mi'e latros.
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Michael Turniansky
> <
mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm having real trouble understanding what you mean by "the predicate
>> itself as an abstract concept". You can certainly find the idea of broda
>> intersting - "lo si'o broda cu cinri", but I expect that's not what you
>> mean? Is there any way you can put your abstract example into a more
>> concrete one?
>> --gejyspa
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Ian Johnson
>> <
blindbravado@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a way to take a selbri and make a sumti that is not "an x1 of
>>> broda" but simply "broda"; like "broda is interesting", having not to do
>>> with an event, proposition, etc. of broda, but just the predicate itself,
>>> as
>>> an abstract concept? About the only idea I have is to use {lo selbri be
>>> fa
>>> zo broda} which seems like a pretty terrible way of doing it.
>>>
>>> mu'o mi'e latros.
>>>
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