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Re: [lojban] on emotions again
My understanding, too. From that point of view, 'da'oi' makes no sense (or rather makes sense by using a putative emotion in place of a clause -- a definite no-no). As far as I can figure,'dai' makes sense if it means that the speaker feels "the same" emotion as someone else out of sym/empathy for/with that other. Otherwise, what is being expressed?
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On Nov 25, 2010, at 15:06, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:11 AM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Note that using an emotional is in no way a replacement for or alternative version of describing something with a brivla. The apparent attachment to various words in a sentence is mainly of rhetorical importance and very occasionally semantic, it does not impute the emotion to any one or any thing other than the speaker (emotionals *express* emotions, not *describe* them).
If not at the beginning of the sentence, from a syntactic point of
view, the emotion is "attached" to the preceding sumti.
An example that was rised in IRC is:
1. {.a'i mi tavla fo la lojban}
2. {mi tavla .a'i fo la lojban}
3. {mi tavla fo la lojban .a'i}
Orion
From a semantic point of view, this means that the the feeling "refers
to" that sumti so the first one states that the speaker is doing an
effort in speaking lojban, the second one suggests that the effort is
due to talking (rather than, for example, writing) and the third
suggests that the effort is related to the fact that the language is
Lojban (as opposed to be English or Chinese, for example). In all
three cases, the speaker is the one doing the effort.
Who's feeling the emotion is usually the speaker but the cmavo {dai}
(empathy) can be used to indicaate that it's a "general feeling" and
the experimental cmavo {da'oi} allows you to specifiy who's feeling the emotion.
... Or at least this is my understanding ...
Remo
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