"exactly equal to" in what sense. Clearly not identity, since one is gap and the other word. But the fact remains that 'klama' has gaps only if it I taken as the selbri of a bridi, which seems t be not what is wanted.Sent from my iPad
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 11:38 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
'minyu' seems a bit strong, though I guess there is a place for "in respect " so sticking a "meaning" ('lo ka smana'? I really have to find that stuff again) in would almost do it, though it still is equating a floating as word with a sentence (but maybe 'lu..lu'u' makes a claim that what is enclosed is a sentence).An omitted place in a Lojban bridi is exactly equal to {zo'e}{mi klama lo zdani lo zarci fi lo karce} is exactly equal to {mi klama lo zdani lo zarci zo'e lo karce}Therefore, {klama} is exactly equal to {zo'e klama zo'e zo'e zo'e zo'e}.
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Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 12:05:13 PM
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.i lu klama lu'u mintu lu zo'e klama zo'e zo'e zo'e zo'e lu'u .i lu klama lu'u drata lu zo klama lu'u
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Exactly. {.i klama} in the context {.i klama .i ...} is entirely different from {zo klama}.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:52 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dubious (well, dubito). I take it {} are word quotes, but then you are saying that the word standing alone is a relation with all of its arguments indifferent. But that is not the word along, it is the word alone *taken as a sentence*, which is not, I think, the point here,
From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 11:47:09 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Describing a predicate as a predicate
That's not true at all. {klama} = {zo'e klama zo'e zo'e zo'e zo'e} no?On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:06 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Whoa! 'klama' is not a bridi but a selbri. So making the appropriate
substitution ought to get it right, whether it is what is wanted is unclear.
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I suppose 'lo mu terbri' "five terms-serving-as-arguments"
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{zo klama bridi fi mu terbri}, {zo klama bridi fi mu lo ro terbri}?
On 11/24/10, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> {lo si'o broda} expands to {lo si'o zo'e broda zo'e ...}. I don't want the
> idea involved in a proposition involving broda, a proposition involving
> broda, etc. I want to be talking about broda as a predicate.
>
> I don't actually know how to take {mu da} and put it into a sequence or set
> (short of using a vast excess of {ce'o} or {ce}), so unfortunately this has
> to be in English:
>
> The predicate "klama" takes five arguments.
>
> Anyway, {la'e zo} works. I had that idea before coming to this actually but
> I suspected for some reason that it might give me a concrete object. Nice to
> know that it doesn't, and that this isn't all that hard to do.
>
> .i ki'e .i mu'o mi'e latros.
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I'm having real trouble understanding what you mean by "the predicate
>> itself as an abstract concept". You can certainly find the idea of broda
>> intersting - "lo si'o broda cu cinri", but I expect that's not what you
>> mean? Is there any way you can put your abstract example into a more
>> concrete one?
>> --gejyspa
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Ian Johnson
>> <blindbravado@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a way to take a selbri and make a sumti that is not "an x1 of
>>> broda" but simply "broda"; like "broda is interesting", having not to do
>>> with an event, proposition, etc. of broda, but just the predicate itself,
>>> as
>>> an abstract concept? About the only idea I have is to use {lo selbri be
>>> fa
>>> zo broda} which seems like a pretty terrible way of doing it.
>>>
>>> mu'o mi'e latros.
>>>
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