Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Well, this raises the interesting OT issue of what exactly something like "peekaboo" is linguistically.  It seems to be related to "taDA" and magicians' exclamations when the the trick comes off, but it seems to have a bit more content than some attention getter in COI, since the seeing is vital.  And, of course, I am not sure what the linguistic status of the supposedly similar things is either.  Come to think of it, there is a double seeing here -- the child sees the parent again and the parent sees the child ("I see you" maybe left over from its origin in a hide-and-seek game).  "Surprise" seems to be a totally different sort of thing. Or maybe no so different: it too is used to announce the completion of a trick (even if the recipient is not surprised).  But it clearly is not, as this note implies, a case of the speaker empathetically experiencing the emotion of the recipient -- the speaker, a part of the party, is not surprised.  He might be joyful and also experience some empathetic joy with the recipient, but that isn't surprise. I'd be happy to hear more suggestions about this.
I would not be happy to see cmavo used to indicate emotions of a third party not empathized by the speaker.

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From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: "lojban-list@lojban.org" <lojban-list@lojban.org>
Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 12:45:47 PM
Subject: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

That's actually not what I intend but it is what will inevitably happen.

I was talking to my wife who is perpetually freezing and at one point I remembered somehing and wanted to say "oh yeah!  Your dad said he was going to make a fire tonight _____".  Where "______" was that cool new cmavo of COI that takes a UI before it and somehow applies it to the object of the COI.  I've searched around but must be using the wrong search terms.  Anybody remember what I'm talking about?

What I'm trying to express is something like what you want to express when you play peekaboo with a baby.  It's like some kind of .uadai like "surprise!"  But it's not a command or an observation, but more of like an expectation.  Almost like a .uipeikau if that makes any sense?

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