Re: [lojban] Smart.fm error

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The definition for {cusku} on Smart.fm is currently
>>
>> "x1 says x2 for audience x3 via medium x4"
>>
>> This is incorrect. The English word "says" carries with it the implied
>> meaning that it was verbally spoken.

No it doesn't, not necessarily. And even if it did, it wouldn't follow that:

>> "x1 expresses x2 for audience x3 via medium x4"

was better. That's simply wrong.

You say words, you express meanings.
You say "thank you", you express gratitude.
You say "I love you", you express your feelings.

You cusku words, you cusku "thank you", you cusku "I love you".
You don't cusku meanings, gratitude or your feelings.

"x1 says x2 to x3 via medium x4" is a much more accurate translation
of "cusku" than the version with "expresses", despite the gi'uste's
unfortunate choice of keyword. And "via medium x4" makes it plain that
this is not restricted to bacru, in case you were tempted to use such
an artificially restricted meaning of "say".

Of course words do have meanings, so when you say words you are also
expressing their meanings, but what goes in x2 are the words, not the
meanings.

But didn't we have this year's turn at this conversation already? Or
was that last year?

>> I am making this announcement on the Beginner's list as well in hopes that
>> those of us who are using the lesson will be forewarned of this regrettable
>> error, and also to hopefully shame the perpetrator a bit. :)

The perpetrator should be commended, not shamed.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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